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    Posted: Jul-20-2010 at 04:31
Hi I'm new to this site .
I want to reman bound for a precise length of time, not a random length such as by freezing a key in an ice cube. I chad the idea of locking the key in a box with a timer lock but cannot find such a thing. Any advice on where to find one  - or alternatives to the locked box idea?
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  Quote Petrajane Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Jul-20-2010 at 04:55
Hi Penny, welcome to the forums.
 
Not been able to find a specific timed release pair of cuffs or even a timebox, but gave up on that one after the third or fourth page on Google.
 
Perhaps you could use the CD Tray release?
Version 1 and the direct link to download from Rapidshare
Also Version 2 but if you have Windows 7, some users do have issues getting this one to work. I had, but have just downloaded the file and it works perfectly for me on W7.
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Masny thanks for your quick and helpfulk reply. I will look into that.
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  Quote stephanie_cd Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Jul-20-2010 at 13:05
Hi, Penny!

There are also two shareware/freeware programs that the chastity community has been using for the same type of purpose -- they both work by encrypting a photo for a specified length of time and then decrypt it.

This works really well if you have a small combination padlock that you can set by feel or while blindfolded, then use that padlock to secure a small box with other keys in it, for instance. Just set the lock, use a digital camera, webcam or scanner to take a picture of the combination, use the program to encrypt the picture and you're on your way!

Timelock is probably the best known of the two, and can be located at http://timelock.rules.it/ .  There's the free trial version, which can be locked for up to 24 hours and allows use of many of the standard features, and then there's the full version which can be purchased for $20 US. The full version includes features such as a long distance keyholder option, where someone else can set the duration and options of the session!

There's also a Java-based program called Datum, which can be found at http://webware-nach-mass.com/controlgames/utils/datum.php .  While it has less features and perhaps doesn't have the same type of graphics, I prefer its "random timer feature" to that of Timelock.

Obviously, you should test both programs out thoroughly to see how they work BEFORE entrusting them with a key for self-bondage, and they won't work if the power goes out or if the computer crashes while you're tied up. Still, I've had a lot of fun with both of them so far!

Hope that helps,

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  Quote pennytrussed Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Jul-20-2010 at 15:19
That is really useful and very clever. Who thinks up these things! Thank you very much Stephanie
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  Quote stephanie_cd Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Jul-20-2010 at 16:52
Glad I could help out, Penny!

As far as "who thinks up these things?" goes, apparently they're created by people who are just as kinky as we are, only with more computer programming skills. LOL
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  Quote Gavving Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Jul-20-2010 at 18:10
Another idea is to use wall outlet timers, the kind that are used to turn lights on and off at specific times.  In a dark room plug a lamp into the timer and set the light to be off for the time frame that you want to be bound.  Then use a combination lock that you have to be able to see to open. 

As always, use lots of testing, and use a failsafe like open blinds so that when the sun comes up you can get out if the timer fails or something.

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  Quote LockedInALocker Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Jul-20-2010 at 20:10
Originally posted by Gavving

Another idea is to use wall outlet timers, the kind that are used to turn lights on and off at specific times.  In a dark room plug a lamp into the timer and set the light to be off for the time frame that you want to be bound.  Then use a combination lock that you have to be able to see to open.

     If you want it to be secure, make sure the padlock isn't one you can pick open by touch alone.  A surprising number of combinations locks can be opened within a couple of minutes, or even a few seconds sometimes.
     Of course, this may give you a backup escape if something goes wrong - but you won't really feel locked up.
     This is overwhelmingly the main method I use myself.

Originally posted by Gavving

As always, use lots of testing, and use a failsafe like open blinds so that when the sun comes up you can get out if the timer fails or something.

     The fact that, with some locks, you can work them open even in the dark, over several hours, by systematically moving the dials to count from zero upwards, will also provide another alternative escape.
     This works only with the type of lock that has three or four (preferably four) separate dials going from 0 to 9.  It doesn't work with the kind of lock that has a single circular dial going from 0 to 39.  If you get stuck in the dark with this type of lock, I would say you are seriously stuffed - I can't imagine any way of opening these by touch alone.  I don't use them, for this reason (well, except for a two-tier dog cage which takes one - but that's in an area that's absolutely certain to get light once the sun comes up).

Regards, Michael.




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  Quote Peter Sub Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Jul-21-2010 at 10:25

Maybe you'd like this idea.. Sorry I posted this before, but it's a long time ago, and I think it could be helpful here..

Shackles, coupled by a electro magnet (door lock type), release by a simple timer. The beauty of these door magnets is, that they could be energized 24/7, without getting hot. The timer has to switch off the power, so even when a power failure occurs, one's released. Pretty safe to use, as I'm indeed doing for many years now. One could use batteries, eventually they'll run out providing a fail-safe solution..

The timer I've used is bought as a kit in an electronic parts shop. Those are pretty cheap, one only needs to build them into a nice enclosure.. 



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  Quote pennytrussed Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Jul-21-2010 at 12:05
Another good idea. Thanks.
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  Quote pennytrussed Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Jul-21-2010 at 12:09
Hello PetraJane
Hope you receive this
I succeeded in downloading the Rapidshare sofrware and it works a treat in that I set the time, shut the key in the CD drawer and the CD tray springs open after the expiry of the set time. HOWEVER, I can also open it at any time prior; in other words, it is not actually locked shut! What am I doing wrong?
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  Quote Petrajane Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Jul-21-2010 at 14:01
Originally posted by pennytrussed

Hello PetraJane
Hope you receive this
I succeeded in downloading the Rapidshare sofrware and it works a treat in that I set the time, shut the key in the CD drawer and the CD tray springs open after the expiry of the set time. HOWEVER, I can also open it at any time prior; in other words, it is not actually locked shut! What am I doing wrong?
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Nothing, the point is that when you set the software to run for real, you should be all but tied up, padlocked, handcuffed or whatever and unable to reach the computer to release the cd tray manually. Big%20smile
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  Quote teather Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Jul-21-2010 at 15:17
Originally posted by LockedInALocker

A surprising number of combinations locks can be opened within a couple of minutes, or even a few seconds sometimes.
I use this often when I want to know I can get free but don't want precise control.  I have a few 3 digit barrel type combination locks, I scramble the combinations then use 2 or 3 at each locking point (ankles, wrists, waist, collar etc.) - they take 20-30 min each to open by systematically working through the permutations.  Sometimes they can be opened quickly - sometimes not.  On a collar buckle or D-ring the additional complication is you cant see the digits at all.  The advantage over ice locks is that the time you are restrained depends upon the amount of effort you put into trying to release yourself - it doesn't just happen.
 
I don't chain myself to anything immovable using this technique.
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  Quote Ashleigh Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Jul-21-2010 at 15:27
Originally posted by Peter Sub

Maybe you'd like this idea.. Sorry I posted this before, but it's a long time ago, and I think it could be helpful here..

Shackles, coupled by a electro magnet (door lock type), release by a simple timer. The beauty of these door magnets is, that they could be energized 24/7, without getting hot. The timer has to switch off the power, so even when a power failure occurs, one's released. Pretty safe to use, as I'm indeed doing for many years now. One could use batteries, eventually they'll run out providing a fail-safe solution..

The timer I've used is bought as a kit in an electronic parts shop. Those are pretty cheap, one only needs to build them into a nice enclosure.. 



I've seen people use these often - is there a guide to this somewhere? Do these just run off of 120 VAC directly (thus just wire it up, make sure you hide your wiring and plug it in?) Also, where might you recommend getting one? Not many components shops near me...
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Ah!! Now I understand!!
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  Quote LockedInALocker Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Jul-21-2010 at 17:52
Originally posted by teather

I use this often when I want to know I can get free but don't want precise control.  I have a few 3 digit barrel type combination locks, I scramble the combinations then use 2 or 3 at each locking point (ankles, wrists, waist, collar etc.) - they take 20-30 min each to open by systematically working through the permutations.

     Even 3-digit locks can take much longer than this to work through in this way if the dials are very stiff.  The operative factor is how long it takes to test 10 possible combinations by making one rotation of the units dial: if the dials move smoothly, you can test the 10 in a couple of seconds by making a complete rotation of the units dial in one or two movements while pulling gently and continuously on the shackle; but if the dials are sufficiently stiff, this won't work, and you'll have to test one combination by pulling on the shackle, release your pull, turn the units dial to the next digit, and pull on the shackle again - and so on for the remaining combinations.  Testing 10 combinations this way probably takes about 10 times as long as the situation with smoother-moving dials.
     I once calculated in my mind how long it might take to open the lock this way if there were 4 dials, and they were of the stiff variety - in other words, all the least favourable properties of the lock for quick escape; and I think the result was that it could take a decent fraction of a whole day.
     My reasoning probably went something like this: assume an average of three seconds per combination tried - a maximum of 30,000 seconds, or an average of 15,000 - about 8 hours' maximum time, 4 hours' average.  But then factor in the time needed to rest - and you *will* need to rest - increasingly often - and I believe that would more than double the total time.  And you will probably lose count at some point, on one or other of the dials, and you will have to repeat a part of the overall counting cycle to make sure you don't miss a range of combinations.  That could cost a couple of additional hours.  For instance, in a 4-digit lock, you are up to 3,654 in your count, and you realize you've lost count of the hundreds dial, or you are not sure if you accidentally moved the thousands dial (you can accidentally move a dial adjacent to the one you meant to move, or you can be unsure if you have) - to make sure you don't miss any combinations, you will have to go back to 3,000 in your count and do the whole thousand over again from the start before you click the thousands dial over to 4.  So I would be very careful about using a lock which has both 4 dials and stiff-moving ones.
     This combination-permutating method is just my backup escape - and I have had to use it two or three times.  I don't like to use it for my planned escape, because I actually don't enjoy spending a few hours working the locks open in this way.  It is incredibly tedious - and actually quite exhausting - far more in practice than it may seem just reading about it.

     Actually, I might just clarify a point I made earlier which you may have misinterpreted.
     I said earlier that a surprising number of locks could be opened in minutes or even occasionally seconds.  And your comments seemed to indicate that you may have thought I was just talking about the combination-permutating method of opening the lock.
     I was actually talking about locks which are poorly made, so that, when you turn the dials while pulling on the shackle, the dials "catch" a little when they are set to the right digit.  The effect may be subtle, but can be detected quite easily if you are pulling on the shackle at the same time, and in just the right way (neither too hard nor too lightly).
     Before I use a lock, I test whether I can open it quickly with my eyes closed.  And I remember one case where I could open it within 10 seconds about 5 times in a row.  Needless to say, that lock never gets used.
     The way things are shrink-wrapped in plastic nowadays, you can rarely test a lock before buying it - you have to buy it and then hope it's good enough.  It isn't always - but this is just one of the costs of pursuing a hobby like this.
     And it's not necessarily the cheap, no-brand locks which have this defect - some of those, costing only a few dollars, have proven to be completely escape-proof (except for the tedious checking of all combinations in order), and amongst my more successful locks.  And I have had very disappointing and useless locks with well-known brands stamped on them.
     It's the smallest, luggage-sized locks which are most prone to this, so if I come across a good brand, I stock up on it by buying several.  (I mainly use that size because it best suits the things I do most often.)

Originally posted by teather

The advantage over ice locks is that the time you are restrained depends upon the amount of effort you put into trying to release yourself - it doesn't just happen.
     We are different in this matter.  I actually do like the release to be quick and easy, once it's due to happen.  It's not the expenditure of effort to escape that I enjoy, but just rather the fact of being helplessly locked up - the thought that I'm so secure and helpless that there's not a thing I can do to get out, so I just do nothing and sort of enjoy the helpless confinement.

Regards, Michael.


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I would like to thank everyone for their thoughtful and helpful comments and suggestions. Like Michael, it is the situation of being unable to escape that I like, not a long drawn out struggle to escape; In fact, I have been known to fall asleep while tightly bound.  I want a quick release when I am ready for it.
I have tried the CD tray method and it works well. I leave the laptop out of reach but so that the tray opens downwards and the key, attached to a thin thread, drops out. The threa is hung from a point above me so that the key swings down into reach.  I am now going to investigate the electromagnet idea.
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  Quote OverallBound Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Jul-22-2010 at 05:29
You have this kind of stuff too:
 http://stores.ebay.fr/sks-Tresor-Sonderanfertigungen


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Originally posted by LockedInALocker

     I was actually talking about locks which are poorly made, so that, when you turn the dials while pulling on the shackle, the dials "catch" a little when they are set to the right digit.  The effect may be subtle, but can be detected quite easily if you are pulling on the shackle at the same time, and in just the right way (neither too hard nor too lightly).
I know what you mean - I have had a couple like this - on one of them (part of a computer security set) you could even see between the dial rings and figure out how to align them. The ones I use now are from B&Q, they are compact and arent too expensive and I havent been able to feel out the right combination - sometimes it feels like there is a catch when rotating the rings but it has never worked out and opened that way for me.  Last time I used them I used 4 - one on each ankle, locking boots on, one on a waist / crotch chain and one on a collar buckle - I was free in around 4 hours - but wasnt working on the locks the whole time.  Needing to try all 1000 permutations is a worst (best Smile) case scenario.
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  Quote LockedInALocker Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Jul-23-2010 at 06:27
Originally posted by teather

The ones I use now are from B&Q, they are compact and arent too expensive...

     I guess I should look for those locks, although they may not be available in Australia.
     I really like those locks that have a slot in the bottom, into which you can insert the end of a woven steel cable, and lock in place.  I use those to lock myself in lockers.  There are not many of them around, and unfortunately the best brand (Samsonite) has gone out of production, although I have a fair stockpile of them.  With those, you can use just the shackle of the lock, or just the cable, or both together.

Originally posted by teather

and I havent been able to feel out the right combination - sometimes it feels like there is a catch when rotating the rings but it has never worked out and opened that way for me.

     Yes, the dials can sometimes give "false positive" clues, in that they sometimes catch when *not* on the right digit.  Or sometimes dials catch on the right digit only when one of the adjoining dials is set correctly.  Those are less serious flaws, and can often be tolerated.  I have noticed that some locks seem to have dials that catch in four places, one of them on the correct digit, and the other places separated by 2 or 3 digits.

Originally posted by teather

Last time I used them I used 4 - one on each ankle, locking boots on, one on a waist / crotch chain and one on a collar buckle - I was free in around 4 hours - but wasnt working on the locks the whole time.

     Are they the kind of dials that slide around easily, so you can test 10 combinations all at once?  If so, I wouldn't expect a 3-digit lock to be really difficult to escape from.
     Don't you lock your hands somehow?  (It might be possible to lock your hands in a way such that your fingers can operate the lock - but only when the lamp has come on and you can read the digits.)

Originally posted by teather

Needing to try all 1000 permutations is a worst (best Smile) case scenario.

     So you actually enjoy that business of working through the locks, doing through the combinations from zero upwards, do you?
     I guess we are all different - I have had to do it a few times, and am prepared to accept this as a consequence of things very occasionally going wrong - but it is certainly not a thing I would ever choose to do.  It is incredibly exhausting and boring in itself - has a really hopeless feeling to it (and not in a nice way) - made worse by the fact that I am usually getting seriously uncomfortable, even painful, owing to having been kept in confinement for a couple of hours longer than I planned.
     On one such occasion, I was desperate enough to be quite ready to destroy one of my best suitcases just to get out of it, and I seriously tried to - the only thing that saved the suitcase was that I quite literally couldn't damage it from inside, not even the tiniest bit: the zipper remained firm, the sides and lid - I couldn't even tear the lining out, as it proved to be very tough.  (I had hoped that tearing out the lining might somehow weaken the stitching of the seams.)
     Eventually I got out - either by hitting on the right combination in the dark, or by the lamp coming on (after I'd thought it had failed) - I forget which - and of course I was then glad I hadn't been able to wreck the suitcase.

Regards, Michael.




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